sudicsex 发表于 2010-8-20 12:04 只看TA 1楼 |
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[原创] Economic Crisis, Chinese People's fault? 升2级,终于可以在这个区发主贴了。来美国半年了,对这个国家有了一些初步的印象。 跟很多书里面说的一样,这个国家是狮子带着一群绵羊打仗。高级管理者,如联邦政府官员,大公司管理者皆为狡猾无比,深谋远虑的精英。他们绝大多数都出自法学院,商学院和医学院。理工科里有智商很高的天才,他们中的佼佼者一般来自印度和中国。虽然美国的大学很多,但是我依然觉得美国的大学教育是精英教育。美国绝大多数人智商情商都很低,一般为高中或社区大学毕业,做着普通工作。普通美国人一般给我这样的印象,友善,傻,悠闲。 绝大多数美国人对所有人都非常的友善(当然包括对中国人),你要有什么事儿,他比你还急。大城市的人比较冷漠,跟咱们的大城市居民一样。 美国人的傻体现在一切凭着自己感觉来,而且特别容易被诱导。选总统,在多数情况下,大伙就看着候选人衣服顺不顺眼。媒体基本都是王八蛋,为了吸引这帮傻逼观众,无论新闻还是电视剧,都透着一股强烈的浮躁和对个人情感的恣意发泄。与天朝的CCAV4一样,美国媒体对中国也是很少说好话,小心眼。 在美国人眼里,红色中国基本是万恶,践踏RQ,抢夺他们本国市场,造成美国失业率暴增。我有时候就忍不住破口大骂,我CNMD,你们一个个一周上5天班,还想方设法的偷懒。还不起还贷那么一大堆款提前潇洒。就这个工作态度没中国人你们也要失业啊!你们的政府帮你们在世界上四处肆无忌惮的掠夺,让你们本国物价极低,你们除了关心你们死了几个士兵以外,还关心过什么啊?再说,以你们这个智商,说啥你信啥,你还能对整个世界有个什么了解啊! 我最后一篇response paper就是下面的拙作。我们的老师是哈佛的一个女士。顺便一说,美国受过高等级教育的人,对中国人,有真正正确的理解。 Economic Crisis, Chinese People's fault? In most western people's eyes, China is a secret country. On one hand, It has more than 5,000 years history and awesome KongFu. It has delicious food and amazing old buildings. If an American travels in China, he/ she will be unbelievably warmly welcomed. On another hand, like North Korea, it is now under Communists' control. This is an evil country: they kill baby girls by the name of birth control; they kill young students by tanks (June 4th, 1989); they kill follower of religion (such as FaLun Gong); they pollute the air and water. One day, if war happens between China and US, the crazy Chinese communists will come to US secretly by small boats and kill with Kalashnikovs, at the same time, wave red flags. If all things mentioned above is none of Americans' business or just hypothesis, The following things are terrible. The bad thing is, now they have exported cheap clothes and toys, kicked "Made in USA" out of market step by step and caused job loss. The bad thing is, the Chinese government controlled the rate between Chinese Yuan and US dollar that caused the US' economical crisis. The worst thing is, just as Chinese people prefer to buy lots of LVs or Chanels, now they start to buy American companies and all American employees will be replaced by cheap Chinese employees. By the way, Chinese people buy anything. August 2nd, Chinese car manufacturer, Geely, bought Volvo from Ford with 1.8 billion dollars (1.6 billion cash and 0.2 billion note) . It seems that the US starts to lost the advantages to China. The Chinese dragon was not this horrible before. China was once America's ally in 1930s and 40s during the World War II. Chinese Army pinned down most Japanese troops that decreased the death of US Army. Inside the US, Chinese people used to be illegal immigrants and offspring of labors who built railways on west coast in the early 20th century. Most of them do not get good education and take jobs in restaurant. They choose to live in some specific communities so although they are noisy and have some "strange" customs, they will not bother other white Americans. Most of them are cowardly, they don't dare to be drug dealers. So at least, they are not harmful to the whole society and actually they serve delicious Chinese food. However, in the recent 30 years, things changed a lot. Chinese people started to be well educated and can write and speak English. The worst thing is, they cheat a lot. They copy American patents and software. After this, they sell these cheap products back to America just as what I have mentioned in the first part. Here, I have a interesting case to show how general Americans think of Chinese people. In my favorite TV series Boston Legal, the famous law firm "Crane, Pool, Schmidt" was finally bought by a group of greedy, ugly Chinese businessmen. Before the last episode, the whole series showed almost nothing related with Chinese people excluding an abortion case. It is very farfetched to have an end like this. However, the writer wrote it to meet people's frustration caused by job loss. Although the firm is fictional, this case represents the general Americans feeling on Chinese people. Cheap products from China, good or bad? Why "Made in China" is so cheap? Can Chinese businessmen control the price? After several months life in America, I find that all industrial products are much cheaper than those in China even almost all of them are made in China. Ironically, even the exactly same dumplings are much cheaper than those in China. If you are an owner of a Chinese company, do you want to export your products to the US? Why some companies still export products to the US? Some of these companies are invested by Americans; others will have allowance by Chinese government. Except LV and Gucci, Chinese tourists prefer to buy the latest Iphones in America. Why? They are much cheaper in the US. Actually, these exquisite toys should be much more expensive. However, Apple still gets billions every year. Where do these profits come from? Apple and other US companies pay less to the OEM companies, such as the Foxconn. Foxconn technology, the Chinese company who makes Imac, Iphone, Ipod, Ipad, IpXd for the US market is definitely a sweatshop. Several years ago, Foxconn is infamous because of its low salary. "Conversation on the production line is forbidden, bathroom breaks are kept to 10 minutes every two hours, and workers get yelled at frequently. " This year, tragedy comes to a peak. "So far this year, 10 Foxconn workers have committed suicide." Ironically, Americans criticized Chinese human rights with Foxconn's case. I guess, some of these criticisms are done by Macs and Iphones. Don't you think it is ridiculous? I cannot stand that my compatriots died because Americans' beautiful toys, but I cannot stand it more that Chinese human rights are blamed because of this ridiculous logic. Why these "Chinese" company owners are so greedy? Are these "Chinese" company owners really stand for Chinese people's benefits? Who are more greedy? Do you know what is the reaction from Apple? "Apple, Dell, and Hewlett-Packard have all announced intentions to look into Foxconn's working conditions. 'We're all over this,' Apple's Steve Jobs said at a tech conference on June 1. He called the suicides at Foxconn 'very troubling.'" NO further action, NOTHING MORE. This tells us what is the definition of capitalist. Capitalists do not have nationalities, the only difference is that Chinese capitalists are hyenas and American capitalists are wolves. What is the fault of the Chinese government in this case and lots of other similar cases? The Chinese government is always eager to let foreigners to invest in China and lets so many foreign companies get profits by this way. What is the direct way to save these pitiful workers? Throw your Imacs, Iphones, Ipods, Ipads, IpXds away and say goodbye to all of them. Moreover, all products from Apple are stupid, as we can see from their names. The US government is always asking the Chinese government to decrease the rate between Chinese Yuan and US dollar to protect the domestic market. Last year, the US government blamed the Chinese government for manipulating the rate. When hearing things like this, I always have nothing to commit. China exports 2 billion shirts in order to buy a Boeing 737. While Chinese workers work 10 hours a day, 6 days a week; American workers are holding demonstrations to fight against "Made in China". Chinese people have no time to comment on people in other countries, what they concern about is when they can have not so small apartments and how to pay their sons/ daughters tuition. Here, I absolutely do not say that Americans are not good. Actually, most Americans are much kinder than Chinese people. I only talk about work. There is no absolutely fair, but do not make it go too far. Why don't we have a win-win solution? Can a win-lost last long? Why there are so many terrorist attacks? To be honest, from 2005 to maybe 2015, the world biggest economical war is the war between the US and China. Just like in the 1990s the US beat Japan, the US will beat China as well. In economical field, China is still naive and does not have enough experience. The US government, is much too clever. Too eager to get any possible profits and hurt all others, not only traditional friends such as European countries, but also components such as Asian countries. More worse, the US government losts its control to the financers in Wall street. These tycoons controlled the whole world, from cereal's price to oil price. They are conscienceless. These tycoons can easily destroy any small countries' economy in a few weeks (1998, Vietnam). In the recent world-wide economic crisis, they did not even show any mercy to their motherland, the United States. How can these tycoons provide loans to people who definitely cannot pay the money back? However, in capitalistic world, money works. These tycoons support the presidential election, they can indirectly launch any war, they control the media. One word, they have the whole world. One day, general public will be their own master. On that day, no one will have any bias on others. It will be a peaceful world. |
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AP2012 发表于 2010-8-20 12:56 只看TA 2楼 |
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lz文章前半段看得我热血沸腾,lz身处老美核心,为我等发回第一手资料,让我了解到了美国的愚民政策其实比我们还要厉害,还要下三滥.不过后面的让我一下子就冷了下来,原来我的英文已经退化到如此地步了么![]() |
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该用户匿名发帖 发表于 2010-8-20 12:59 只看TA 3楼 |
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Why don't we have a win-win solution? Can a win-lost last long? Why there are so many terrorist attacks? 这句倒是不错 不过如果都赢了,那谁输了呢? |
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该用户匿名发帖 发表于 2010-8-20 14:11 只看TA 4楼 |
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身边有一些从美国回来的熟人,记忆最深刻的是一位卖安利产品的老大妈——经常跟我推销安利时大谈美国农产品多么绿色环保,耕地用蚯蚓捉虫用瓢虫,绝对没有农药化肥。前年还是去年去了美国看儿子,儿子当年随旅游团入境之后跑掉就在美国黑下来。老大妈从美国回来后逢人就夸美国的诸般好处——一双皮鞋穿了一个月没擦过,因为上面一点灰都没有,可见人家那地方多干净。着实让我想起她推销安利时蚯蚓耕地瓢虫捉虫的样子。 今天拜读了楼主的文章,真的眼前一亮。当然,也随之一暗。我那可怜的英文水平让我磕磕绊绊地读完了整篇文字。 不止一个人跟我说过,在外面最大的感受就是,普通民众心灵上的单纯,让国人吃惊。他们的单纯反应在:极度的善良,或者极度的邪恶。却很少有中间地带。所以后来看到一位博学的人说,其实全世界最“坏”的人是中国人,两面三刀笑里藏刀阳奉阴违心口不一 。 。 。也听说国外的精英教育造就了一大批学会“中国传统政治哲学”的所谓政治家,所以有人开玩笑,论情商,一个很普通的中国人去了国外,都能胜任他们的政府高官,权谋之术远超过那些长青藤学校出来的精英。 说道媒体,其实天下媒体都一样,唯恐乱的不够大的样子。为了刺激销量,它们不在乎颠倒黑白,不在乎添油加醋。我一个朋友就在报社任总编,清醒的时候他自称是做八卦的,喝醉时更自称为婊子。没办法,他想有良知,游戏规则却让他必须泯灭。 其实看看国内的舆论导向,两党大选作为政治新闻不能不报,但是普通老百姓跟喜欢看到的事情无非迈阿密发生警匪枪战,旧金山几百辆汽车连环追尾 。 。 。因为这样的“新闻”更好看。有多少人会去关心美国普通民众想什么做什么,没人关心。自己的柴米油盐还没买齐,他们想什么做什么自然不关我的事。反过来说,美国人也一样。 谈到这次美国航母黄海演戏,国内媒体似乎并没有过分渲染——也许基于某些原因也许根本不关心。至少,在青岛这一地,毗邻黄海,普通民众丝毫没有感到所谓的担心或者恐慌。啤酒节依然游人如织。如果前几年,或者媒体真的做出过度渲染,远的不说奥运火炬在巴黎遇袭时,家乐福超市就被义愤填膺的学生围堵超过半月,生意惨淡。 有时候想想,作为一介草根,我们思考我们争论除了能够锻炼我们的思维和表达以外,还会有多少更显著的作用。起码不会很多。 |
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该用户匿名发帖 发表于 2010-8-20 15:09 只看TA 5楼 |
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楼主 后面那段英文其实是你写的对吗,看用语就知道是“中国式” 的英文,不过基本意思表达清楚了。 我也是在美国的留学生,但我对有些事情的观点和你可能有差别。 首先美国作为超级大国,是唯一一个有能力而且愿意维护世界秩序的国家,他到处打仗,到处驻军,确实是为了争夺能源,但不仅仅是单纯掠夺资源这么简单。美国占领了伊拉克,在曾经独裁统治下的国度建立起了民主;美国驻军日韩,把战后一个百废待兴的战败国日本,一手扶植成了世界经济强国,还让日本的汽车抢走了本国汽车业的半壁江山。美国花了自己士兵的血和每月数十亿的军费打下的石油国家伊拉克, 却把很大一部分开采权卖给了中国公司,为什么呢?美国确实 像天朝愤青们所说的,管得宽,惹是非。近的海地发生地震,美国第一个派出军队救灾;远的非洲卢旺达发生内乱,美国第一时间调集空降兵去维护秩序,又为什么呢?真是单纯为了资源或战略控制,去非洲那么偏僻的小镇做什么? 俄罗斯经济惨淡,没资金开发航天,美国独自撑起了开拓太空造福全人类的责任。 如果没有美国在欧洲,亚洲,非洲各地的驻军,没有美国全力遏制核武在中小国家扩散,没有美国东打打,西炸炸,这世界是真会太平还是混乱? 全球的秩序,是需要有人负责,是需要有人去平衡的。 可能有人要喷我 崇洋媚外,不过我是在国内生活了20年,体会也很深。就拿最贴近的 教育来说。美国可以拿本国纳税人的钱出来资助来自世界各地的 优秀学生————只要成绩优秀,就有奖学金,无论国籍,无论身份高低。美国的每所大学都有奖学金和助学program,即使是那些没有绿卡,甚至没有正式签证的外国学生,只要成绩优异,就能得到奖学金,包括生活补助来鼓励完成学业,即使那些学生学成之后会离开美国。即使近年来的经济危机,10%的失业率的压力下,美国政府仍然没有丝毫改变这些针对全球学子的福利政策。这让我想起在天朝的数十年求学经历,不被学校敲竹杠收 “择校费” 就烧香拜佛了! “天朝”,一个本来应该是引以自豪的词语,在网络上却被用来代替一个被 屏蔽 的词,这是讽刺还是悲哀? 美国国会每年拨款用于环保的数额仅次于军费开支,同在一个地球上,天朝每一个工厂排放的废气,大洋彼岸的美国却在毫不懈怠地清理。看到新闻近期的甘肃泥石流,失去的是自己的同胞,无比痛心,可归其缘由,哎环保啊。这让我感到很无奈,其实大家都生活在同一个天空下! 如果这回帖发到天朝的任何论坛,估计在被封ip之前会被无数愤青喷满。祖国令我自豪的地方数不胜数,我也为身为国人的一员而感到荣幸。但每当我看到一些歪曲的评论,我就忍不住回上几句,因为我觉得理智爱国和盲目排外是两码事。我其实举例只是想说明,楼主对美国的有些看法并不客观。那片英文短文很明显根本就不是出自说英语人之笔。 要说美国政府糊弄民众为愚民,我只想说,至少他们平民窟里的穷小孩可以奋斗成总统,至少他们的总统做了错事可以被弹劾,至少他们的政府不会连youtube都屏蔽了不让国民看。 [ 本帖最后由 malady11 于 2010-8-20 15:56 编辑 ] |
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jx4177 发表于 2010-8-20 18:18 只看TA 6楼 |
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我想指出楼主的一个误区:石油这种东西是商品,价高者得,不然也不会有期油指数。 不少人开口闭口“美国掠夺石油”,怎么个掠夺法?拿钱去高价掠夺么。 |
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jx4177 发表于 2010-8-20 18:26 只看TA 7楼 |
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还有,楼主说美国人“傻”,就好像那个笑话一样,老师叫小朋友写有关“世界各国对饥荒的看法”,美国小朋友的回答是“什么是世界各国”,说到底不过是他们没兴趣去知道除了美国外的事物而已。真要说EQ或者常识,我还真想不到一个出国旅游比我们出省旅游更容易、没有城乡户口区别、没有信息过滤和舆论审查、没有单向洗脑的国度如何会出一些“傻子”。我以前的lecturer和tutor不少都有过两个以上国家的游历工作或者教学经验,和我们说起各个国家的风土人情是如数家珍。 加多句:楼主去美国仅仅半年,但半年并不足以让你了解一个国家,这仅仅是开始而已。 [ 本帖最后由 jx4177 于 2010-8-20 18:28 编辑 ] |
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该用户匿名发帖 发表于 2010-8-21 10:46 只看TA 8楼 |
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要说美国政府糊弄民众为愚民,我只想说,至少他们平民窟里的穷小孩可以奋斗成总统,至少他们的总统做了错事可以被弹劾,至少他们的政府不会连youtube都屏蔽了不让国民看。 5L的你写的非常直白,中国什么时候能这样就好了,国家主席现在一当就是10年,主席永远正确的,唯一个想把中国弄成开放式民主的胡紫阳还郁郁而终!哎!还有这个国家没有知名的世界大品牌,尤其汽车,以前的红旗现在都见不到了,好点的奥迪还是和资的,卖给外国人加上关税也比卖给中国人的便宜! |
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该用户匿名发帖 发表于 2010-8-21 11:20 只看TA 9楼 |
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我的老天,老兄你在说什么?你说这篇英文文章是你写的response paper?而且还是“拙作”?!你能不能再好好看看?这和你的中文内容意思完全相反! 好吧,显而易见,你是说错了话,你的Response paper 应该是针对这篇文章而写的,就不再揪着那句话了。但是我想说,即使如此,你明显对美国了解还不够深。 首先,美国是个大熔炉,是个真正一片混乱的地方,我是指思想,当然,某些地方的治安也差不多,我都不知道美国什么地方有中国那样的热闹又安全的夜市,可以让人在深夜步行回家。 扯远了,从那片文章来看,这应该属于美国人中比较保守封闭的一类人的思想,在我看来,他们就是美国的民粹主义。 不能不承认,这种思想从上到下都有不少市场,尤其是在白人中间,而且还有很多人的思想受传统冷战思维影响深,加上中美之间的利益对立,因此这种思想还是很有影响的,一时很难消除。 但是同时我们也要看到,还是有很多和他们的思想不一样的人,他们也许在社会地位上总体的比民粹主义分子要低一些,但是总的人数要多于这些人,尤其在新移民中,那样敌视和妖魔化中国的人,是非常少见的。 更重要的一点,就还是那句话,美国是个大熔炉,什么人都有,而且有很多途径可以表达自己的声音。只要你愿意,你可以找到无数的各种社会团体,来表达自己的声音。 我曾被一个宠物信仰的宗教团体发过传单,当我刚开始看的时候,几乎没把肚子笑痛,他们居然信仰自己饲养的宠物灵魂!但是接近看完的时候,我却觉出了一点严肃的东西。这么一个荒谬的团体,却积极参与动物保护运动,与其他动物保护团体紧密合作,甚至和联合国组织都扯上了关系。他们的力量也不可小看,有数十万的成员(自称),遍布全美国,还有几个议员都是他们的成员。 就这么一些跟扯淡一样的团体,只要方法得当,都能在美国社会站住脚,让人听到自己的声音,更何况和美国有这么多经贸交往的中国,还有那么庞大的华人群体? 我还看过一个号召成立民兵,武装独立的小册子(具体是想在哪里独立我忘了),上头几乎把华盛顿以下的政治家全骂了个遍,号称他们都是暴君和阴谋家,目的都是控制人民,所以要独立,成立一个新国家!就这样偏激,怀疑一切的东西,照样在光明正大地摆在书店里卖。 你要是看到这些,你是否还认为能以一种观点,一两篇文章,就对美国人做总结? 其实,在我个人的印象上来说,美国人对中国总的印象来说,其实还是友好的成分多一些,像那个“中国侵略美国”的游戏,我接触到的大多数美国人是把它当笑话的。问到想不想去中国旅游,想去的还是绝大多数。而且,在我接触到的,你所说的高级知识分子中,支持中美经贸发展的还是绝大多数的,其中还包括对中国有相当警惕,认为最终可能还是要打一仗的比较保守和偏激的人,也认为当下还是多来往更好。 当然,由于中国的媒体不像美国这么开放,大多数美国人认为他们不能从中国媒体上听到真正中国的声音,所以从这一点上来说,他们觉得还是有几分神秘,也有一些对未知的恐惧。 我听到很多人问我这个问题,中国要走军事强国之路么,要和美国打仗么?每到这时,我都觉得解释起来那么费劲,每次我就想骂中国ZF的娘,谁让你把媒体管那么死,新闻全都是千篇一律,所以你再说什么和平发展也没人相信,反倒是人家美国,对媒体只是诱导,绝不使硬手段,所以人家媒体都显得那么客观,连打家劫舍都显得那么正义,几个反对声音反而更衬托得人家的宽容,客观和冷静。什么叫高,这就叫高,看来水门案让美国政府吸取教训不少。 而且,美国的教育是从小就相信自己,不相信权威,不相信定论,任何学生都敢质疑教科书上的东西,加上他们的言论自由,所以不管上头说个啥,都有反对的人。就连前段时间有个议员提议给所有穷困家庭直接发钱,照样被批评地体无完肤。 从这个角度上来说,应该说,美国人比中国人更难以被政治家欺骗一些。你要说美国人民傻,那光听ZF一个声音还只知道点头称是的中国人不是更傻?至少人家还吃软不吃硬,我们是软硬都吃。 在我了解的国家中,包括中国,不得不说,总体上来说,美国还是相对,对民族问题最宽容,歧视最少,对外最开放的国家。注意,是总体上和相对而言。因此,和我们国家的人对美国的理解来说,还是美国社会的总体对我们国家的理解更为广泛,全面和到位。 因此,应该说,真正持有你那篇文章中思想的人还是不多的。再多了解美国一些吧。 [ 本帖最后由 runot2far 于 2010-8-24 10:58 编辑 ] |
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neteaglecn 发表于 2010-8-21 11:25 只看TA 10楼 |
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石油并不完全是价高者得,有钱也不一定卖给你。最关键的不是这个,而是原油的开采领域,石油的开发权,有了开发权,就有了份额油,这个价格按协议价而不是市场价,当然,这个价差被美国石油公司赚走了。美国的石油公司,依靠超级大国的优势地位,强取豪夺,得到了很多油田的开发权,这个可不是说,我有钱就能得到开发权的。所以,楼主说美国掠夺石油并不过分。 |
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